the imposters of pretended patriotism. ben frankly warned us about sacrifice. i don't know if i read that in your book? >> those that would sacrifice freedom deserve none or something to that effect. >> yeah, for security. >> right. >> neither. and it's, you know, i just did an article today on they discovered, it was a very good article, i thought, in "the new york times" that the voluntary leaks of the government on august 2nd about the conversation between al-qaeda and the head of yemen was actually did more harm to national security than all of the pape ors -- you all saw that -- released by snowden, for example. but it's, again, an example of the cynical use of national security. that if the government does it, it's legitimate. and the fact is that most of the classified information shouldn't be classified, but it's routinely leaked as was the story about the success of that electronic surveillance because hay wanted to -- they wanted to show that what nsa does is necessary. so it was actually shut down, the communication. you know, the government, if they leak, it's legitimate.